Background: Lisa is in a relationship and living with her partner in a suburb of a metropolitan city. She was born in New Zealand.
About Lisa
Lisa received a diagnosis of bulimia nervosa at age 13 and bipolar II at age 19. She has spent time in a mental health unit and been on and off medication. Lisa has not seen her psychiatrist for over a year and is currently not taking medication.
Read excerpts from Lisa's interview
First becoming unwell - Lisa moved to London and isolated herself. She had 'bizarre' thoughts about how doing everyday things would have catastrophic consequences.
And I sort of stayed in this little bedsit for about three months and I think my mind just went. I don't know what happened. I sort of started doing really bizarre things, like I would binge and make myself sick and then like later become desperate for food and I would have no choice but to like eat something from like my bin, even though like it wasn't soiled or anything but I'd constantly have this thought of like, 'Well, what am I doing?'
And, gradually I just lost more and more weight and then I started to have really bad OCD tendencies and that escalated into just really strange, bizarre behaviours. And, I just remember sitting in this bedsit, like on this crappy couch, like naked and skinny and just emaciated and I was like paranoid that if I washed my hair... no, if I didn't wash my hair then the drought in Australia would break or something and it was like just really bizarre things like that. How things that I was doing to myself would somehow effect the world in these fantastical ways. And so I just, yeah, developed really weird bizarre things. And then, I guess, I didn't necessarily start hearing voices but I became increasingly paranoid and ended up staying in this flat where I taped up the windows and just spent so much time by myself and just really lacked any contact with the outside world.
And I don't know how I managed to get out of that but eventually I decided to go back to London and I stayed for a few more months and eventually came home.
Searching for information - After her first hospitalisation, Lisa was motivated to change her university degree from law to psychology, which gave her a 'greater understanding of the mental health professions as a whole'.
Could I ask what other changes you have made that you feel has helped?
I think it's kind of taking quite a natural course but also, I think having worked in, when I was at university, when I first started I was studying law, God knows why. And after I went back after being released from hospital I changed my major to behavioural science, psychology. So, and I don't know, I think at that point I was looking for answers and it didn't provide me with anything. But, it certainly provided me with a basis for greater understanding of I think of the mental health professions as a whole. And it's partially why I've chosen to work in this field. I guess one of the main requirements of being in a role like mine is that you have a lived experience of a mental illness.
Negotiating daily life - Lisa described how she was prone to 'excessive' behaviour when she was in a 'manic' phase.
Can I ask, when you say that the behaviours were unusual but were like normal young adult behaviour, can you give some examples?
I suppose like just like drugs, drinking, like promiscuity, like and you know, excessive spending in a, like you've bought this and it's normal. It's normal nowadays. Like that's what people do. So it was over the summer and I noticed... Actually this happened again like when summer came around, not recently but a couple of years ago. That people who have a diagnosis of bipolar disorder tend to have manic or have a manic episode in a sort of a seasonal kind of way.
So, I remember this one year I, it was fun when I was in it but just like the aftermath was horrific. Like I was broke, I had like no money to feed myself. I was like basically smoking two packs of cigarettes a day and I remember like crying in a gutter to a friend about how I couldn't afford to eat but then there's me, like smoking cigarettes.
I'm like, I can afford to buy cigarettes but I can't afford to feed myself. And I went and got three tattoos in one day. So like just bizarre things. I jumped off the roof of my house and there was this party that I held and I remember like lying in the middle of the road and not really caring like, yeah whatever, you can run me over.
Medication: Effectiveness and side effects - Lisa said she was not advised about what to expect from antidepressants. Side effects like putting on weight were particularly problematic, given her eating disorder.
That wasn't properly explained in the context of me having an eating disorder as well. It's kind of like well, this is going to help you with that part but you're also going to put on like 30 kilos and you know, that's probably going to stress you out and that might you know exacerbate some of the way, your coping mechanisms. I don't think that really factored into anything. For me there wasn't a definitive point, where I was like, 'Okay, no more, no more medications from today onwards'. It was more like a slow trickle out effect of like these aren't working for me. Like you know, I've talked to my doctors and shrinks about this and they're not working and you know what, I just don't want to try anymore because. And it's worked fine so far.
Medication: Choice and non-compliance - Lisa didn't feel any better when she was taking mood stabilizers. She said at the time she was taking them she wasn't 'educated enough' to realise medicines aren't 'magic quick fixes'.
I empathise with people who are, I guess, at the height of their mental illness and they're being told to take all these medications and they just take it because some guy in a white coat tells you to and you just do because it's going to help you in some way. I don't feel like any of them in particular alleviated any symptoms. Like the mood stabilisers, I'm like, what does that even mean? Like how do you stabilise mood? And, when you're bipolar, you know, you experience those dizzying highs and those lows but I don't know - like they didn't make me feel any better and I suppose that's part of my own ignorance at that age, not being educated enough to realise that that's not what medication does [laughs]. They're not magic quick fixes for anything.
Medication: Choice and non-compliance - Lisa described taking her sedatives and anti-psychotics for their sedative effects, and said she might have been 'more compliant' with mood stabilisers had someone explained to her how they work.
I guess my psychiatrist kind of helped me monitor my medications and things like that. I found that they weren't working for me. I kind of developed a bit of taste for my sedatives and just took them too often and too much of them. I didn't really feel like the mood stabilisers were working and (...) in terms of the antipsychotics and the sedatives - the antipsychotics had a sedative effect as well as the sedative, and so I took those a lot and then when I sort of stopped taking my medications regularly I would kind of take the antipsychotics and sedatives on a need-to basis because - even though I know that's not how medications work but I was like craving that effect of like, 'Yeah well I can't deal with this shit so I'm just going to take myself...' and also my psychiatrist has never prescribed me VALIUM (diazepam) because he doesn't believe that it would help me. (...) So yeah - also because I didn't know what to expect from the medication. And if someone had explained to me how mood stabilisers work maybe I would have been more compliant with them. But, I was kind of like, 'Well, screw this, it's not working for me. Like how is this stabilising my mood? Like I'm still crazy kind of thing'.
Medication: Choice and non-compliance - Lisa doesn't take any medication now. She feels she is 'out of the woods' and has found other ways of coping.
I am unmedicated at the moment which surprises people. It doesn't surprise me though because I've always been non-complaint with medication. So I don't-I don't take anything at the moment. I prefer to deal with things as they come but I don't, I don't necessarily experience anything - I don't know, I feel like I'm - I'm sort of out of the woods in a way. I have found better ways of coping with things and I have better coping mechanisms now. I feel like at this stage of my life I am far more aware of supports that are there and that may be needed and yet, I don't need them in a kind of strange way.
Talking therapies - It was only after she left hospital that Lisa realised she had benefited from the group therapies she had there.
Did he practice CBT or DBT with you?
CBT with me and I did DBT in hospital.
Okay. They were helpful?
Yeah [laughs]. In retrospect perhaps. Whilst I was doing DBT I was kind of like, 'What crap is this?' And again, I don't think that's explained very well.
Like, I felt a bit like group therapy in hospital was a bit like school, like you were just being told what to do, not like let's actively find ways to... But again, that's some hospitals are going to practice different you know, some hospitals do ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy), it's going to be different everywhere. But, I felt a bit like, 'Oh you're going to sit here and you're going to have to do it, like you have to do this'. And I was not receptive to it when I did it but now I'm like, oh yeah, I've learnt some elements that have carried on.
Talking therapies - Lisa was 14 when she saw a psychologist for help with bulimia. She said the psychotherapist asked a 'bizarre' question and felt she wasn't the 'right person to speak to' at the time.
I suppose it really only come to the fore maybe as I entered early adolescence, I suppose. And that's when, I mean the first I made myself throw up was pasta and that's what I sort of recall quite vividly and I don't know how that started. But from that point on I suppose making myself sick became a bit of a reset button if you will. And so I continued to do that probably up until my early twenties or so. I started seeing a psychologist maybe when I was about 14 and I think I was given perhaps maybe six sessions or something and it was actually done through my mother's work at the time and she was offered, I think it was part of some sort of employee package where you could get assistance for family members, whether that be medical help or psychologically help or counselling.
So I did that when I was about 14 and met with this woman in the city and I just remember I built no rapport with her whatsoever. So there's me, probably 13 or 14 years old, and I remember she asked me like how suicidal I felt on a scale of one to 10. And I just found it such a bizarre question because prior to that I guess I did have suicidal ideation but no real intent or plans towards it. I found it a bizarre question to have to rate my suicidality on a scale. It was very like concrete and so I didn't really understand that. And, I also felt that she probably wasn't the right person to be speaking to, I don't think.
I stopped seeing her. I can't actually remember how long it was until I was eventually referred to a psychiatrist through my GP.
How to increase participation in decision making - Lisa felt 'quite supported' in hospital and talked about the support given to her parents by hospital staff.
Yeah, I felt quite supported in the hospital. They also had a lot of parental support groups so like parents of the people there or the inpatients could come in like once a week and they would chat to the psychotherapist and psychiatrist and stuff. And, kind of be kept up to date and my mum told me that all these other parents would kind of talk to her and say like, "I don't I don't understand why your daughter is sick, like she's really intelligent and you know, she's talented et cetera, blah, blah, blah, blah".
Experiences of work - Lisa said she felt in 'two minds' about her role which identified her as a person with 'lived experience' of mental health problems.
I don't particularly like that, my role actually in my role description, it said like, I guess one of the main requirements of being in a role like mine is that you have a lived experience of a mental illness. I sort of have an issue with it being a requirement of the job in a way. I think it goes back to what I was saying about being surrounded by other sick people. You know, for lack of a better term - sick people - but being constantly surrounded by, I guess, other mentally ill people sort of kept me ill for a longer period than I expected.
And, I socialised with a lot of those girls after I was released and it felt like the most bizarre thing. You know, you talk to these so called friends but what do you talk about? You talk about your medications and your illness and you talk about like the fun times we had in hospital and I'm like what fun times? You know, I mean, I think there's one woman now that I'm still very good friends with. But that's not the only thing we talk about, you know. So, yeah, this whole idea of like surrounding yourself with people who are also ill, kind of helped me shape my identity as some...
Like, I very strongly identified as someone who is mentally ill and that was like who I am at that stage in my life. If you identify as being ill then it keeps you ill in a way. And so I refuse, not refused to but I don't talk about that part of my life or those experiences very often. And I've found that when I do it's met with a range of different things. Sometimes it's quite patronising where it's like, "Oh, you've done very well for yourself in spite of that" and like well, "Yeah, why wouldn't I?" So yeah, like it's a strange thing.
And, you know, if I tell someone that I have bipolar disorder they're like, "Oh, but you don't seem crazy". So I feel some conflict with working for a mental health organisation because I don't know if my opinions or my experiences is valued or if it is at all and sometimes there's, I think, the idea of my role and the requirements surrounding it make me feel a bit funny about how I view myself and my identity as someone who has experienced a mental illness or is continuing to do so. Like I'm sort of in two minds about that.
Discrimination and social responses to mental health problems - Lisa said she didn't generally speak to people about her illness because of the responses she had received.
I remember once telling someone that I lived with that... I was talking about, you know, my experiences of having an eating disorder and she was kind of like, "Which one did you have?" And I'm like, I was kind of like, 'Well, anorexia, bulimia, take your pick kind of thing'. And I said, "Well, bulimia primarily, but I went through long periods of starvation and could fit into children's' clothing when I was like 16. I could shop in the kids' sections of most clothing stores". And so I said something like, "Yeah, well you know, experienced bulimia and stuff".
And she was like, "Oh yeah, my God, like high five, me too". And it's just kind of like I don't understand where this whole bizarre camaraderie comes from. It's like, 'Oh yeah, cool you've experienced a horrible life threatening disorder as well?' 'Yeah, me too, were you hospitalised for it and did you have your heart checked every week and did you have like no enamel left in your teeth and holes in your knuckles from shoving your hand down your throat?' So I don't talk about my experiences very often because I find that it's not met with the best responses. And, you know, if I tell someone that I have bipolar disorder they're like, "Oh, but you don't seem crazy".
More about Lisa
Lisa has described always feeling 'a little bit different' from other people, including other children when she was young. She related that she has experienced depressed and manic moods over her life, which have been especially prevalent during periods of considerable stress and transition including completing high school, transition to university, travel overseas, and exams. She also experienced significant challenges during adolescence, including the development of an eating disorder. She is currently living with her partner and enjoys her current role in the health sector.
Lisa described receiving a diagnosis of bulimia nervosa at age 13 and bipolar II at age 19. After a period overseas when she was 18 where she described becoming 'really sick' and feeling 'unsupported' and isolated, Lisa moved back to Australia. During her first year at university, Lisa experienced a worsening of symptoms and was admitted into a private psychiatric facility where she spent three months. She describes being 'largely supported' by the professionals there, but was uncertain about whether being 'constantly surrounded' by other young people helped her recovery. Lisa also found it 'bizarre' and challenging during this period that there was no indication or discussion of when she might be 'released'. She experienced manic and depressive periods after that time. Lisa felt her manic episodes were often seen as 'normal young adult behaviour' and that made it 'hard to seek help' during them.
Lisa has established a key relationship with a 'good' psychiatrist, with whom she would seek help from today should she need to. Lisa sees the continuous care she has received, from the age of 15 to a few years ago, as crucial to the trust and rapport she has established.
With the support of her psychiatrist, Lisa has decided to stop taking medication. She felt none of the antidepressants she was prescribed 'worked' for her and the impact of side-effects for a range of medications, including anti-psychotics and mood stabilisers, were very difficult. Lisa now feels empowered to make her own decisions and has 'found a better way' of dealing with her life, and sees growing older and learning from her experiences as key to this development.
Lisa has a positive outlook on her recovery and is keen not to be identified and defined solely by her lived experience of mental ill health but by a range of attributes and skills she brings to her workplace and social networks. She is looking forward to the future and feels she is 'out of the woods.'