Most people we talked to had taken medication at some point in their lives, with almost everyone taking some form of medication for severe mental health problems when we spoke to them. Although people had tried different types of medication over their lifetime the main ones people spoke about were antipsychotics, antidepressants, and mood stabilisers. Despite good scientific evidence for the use of psychiatric medicines in appropriate conditions, strong critiques of their use exist within scientific and popular literature, particularly about efficacy and unwanted side effects. This Talking Point reports on the experiences of taking different psychiatric medications of the particular group of people we talked to. It is important to note that people were not selected on the basis of their opinions about medication.
Types of medications
Although antidepressant medication may help many people, it depends on the particular type of antidepressant, and the dose. Some people do not find antidepressants helpful at all, no matter what type or dose, and some perceive them and other medications to be harmful. Even when antidepressants are seen to work it can take several weeks for them to become fully effective. This can be difficult for people in a state of distress and desperate for something to help. Sometimes other medicines such as those to treat anxiety are used as a temporary supplement, for this reason.
Antipsychotics, also known as ‘major tranquilisers’, are prescribed to people with a diagnosis of psychosis and can help to lessen some of the distressing experiences people have, like hearing disturbing voices that others don’t hear. Antipsychotics can be given by tablet or slow release (depot) injection. Mood stabilisers include lithium and several other types of medicines (some are also anti-epileptic medicines) that are used in bipolar disorder and schizoaffective disorder to prevent mood swings. Along with the experience of dampening of emotions, the medicines can prevent episodes of ill-health and also suicidal behaviour.
Some people we spoke to had tried many different medications over the years; as Lisa said, ‘I feel like I’ve tried all of them’.
Cindy said she had tried many different medications over the years and finding the right one had been a case of ‘trial and error’. She now has one that suits her.
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I’ve been forced on so many things and it’s all trial and error too with these antipsychotics and all these different types of meds that they put you on when you’ve got mental illness. And the other thing was when I had depression I ended up getting on a good medicine. It took a while but I tried some and the symptoms were mainly putting on weight which is awful. Can’t get out of the couch and you’ve got to get a new wardrobe.
And how did you get on to one that was good? Were you in dialogue with a GP saying, “This isn’t working, can I try something else?”
Yeah and a GP actually tried me on one called EFFEXOR (venlafaxine) and everybody else that’s tried that said that’s probably the better one because you don’t get all the symptoms as bad. It still gives you some, but they’re nowhere near as bad as the others and don’t ask me about the others. The only one I can remember is VALIUM (diazepam). Was no good for me at all, awful.
So it sounds like you’ve been kind of on an ongoing rotation of different drugs with different effects?
Yeah but I’ve been on these ones for a few years now so they’re going well.
Those with experience of various medicines over the last 15 years or more felt that medications had improved over time. Chris described how when he was first diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder, he was given ‘old’ medications, ‘all the nasty stuff’. In his experience new drugs have fewer side effects. Evan, who has tried many medicines since he was first diagnosed in 1977, said in the past he was given very high doses of medication, which had a highly sedative effect. He described how people had to be given medication in hospital at high doses, then have the dose reduced to ‘maintenance levels’ before they could ‘function in the community’.
Effectiveness
There was no single medication that suited everyone and people could have very different experiences on the same medication. However, quite a few people mentioned that some of the medication they had taken had worked for them. Helen, who was diagnosed with manic depression (or bipolar disorder), said although she feels a bit ‘hyper’ on her current antidepressant, she wakes in the morning feeling like her ‘old self’. Michelle said her antipsychotic drug ‘does get rid of my voices and I do feel better on it’. Niall, who had been diagnosed with obsessive compulsive disorder, said his antidepressant was ‘the best one’ for dealing with this.
Tanai called her current antidepressant medication her ‘miracle drug’. She said she no longer has ‘depressive episodes’, but doesn’t think it’s an easy drug to come off.
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I was put on a couple of other antidepressants before that and none of them worked. LEXAPRO (escitalopram), some other one, yeah none of them worked. Then I got put EFFEXOR (venlafaxine) when I was 17. That’s miracle drug. And the miracle drug fixed so much of it, I don’t have depressive episodes anymore. But if I am to miss a dose, oh good God, I am so sick and I want to die. Like it’s pretty intense but yeah it was a great thing.
I stayed on EFFEXOR (venlafaxine) because it works and I literally cannot come off it. Because I’ve been on it for so long I’d definitely require hospitalisation to come off of it because it’s a really difficult drug to wean off. Like the side effects, withdrawal effects are really, really severe. It’s like a blood pressure thingy where you have like little, you know, the electric shock you get off like a shopping trolley or a trampoline. It’s like inside your eyes and it goes off every five to 10 seconds. Kind of like being poisoned in Pokémon where everything just goes and so like everything will shake for a second. And very moody, very irritable, headaches. Yeah it’s quite gross.
So you tried to come off it?
No, but I have like accidentally forgotten doses before. And like once I forgot it for two days and it was dreadful. It was dreadful. But yeah, it works for me really well. Like the side effects are pretty minimal considering the benefits it has. Like I’ll take hand tremors and like a little bit of extra adrenaline any day over the depression. Like that was just crushing, overwhelming.
Would you say that was the key benefit that you noticed with it?
Yep. It worked wonders. Like it made me a person again. Like from I couldn’t get out of bed. Like physically, everything was different. I couldn’t move this, I couldn’t move as fast. Like it was like being stuck in some kind of tar almost like. And it wasn’t even sad. I’d gone beyond sad when I was depressed. Like it was just nothing. I didn’t have the energy or motivation to kill myself. It was like honest to God just depression. And that’s one thing I think a lot of therapists don’t realise.
For some people, the effect of taking a medication could be immediate. Taylor, for example, said, ‘within half an hour I’m feeling much better’. For others, it could take weeks or months to take effect.
Nicky described how it took a while for medication to bring her ‘back to normal’, but the ‘turnaround’ was ‘sudden’.
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And you just feel like you’re a bit above everything and sort of on top of the world too, yeah.
And then, when you described it, there’s a coming down, there’s one…
Yeah so, when the medication has an effect, and you’re on a lot of medication to bring you back to normal, it takes a while, and with me there was a turnaround. Actually, it was a two month illness. After one month I wasn’t getting better according to the nurses, and they thought I needed to go back to hospital because they were visiting me at home, and mum and dad thought they’d see more of a progress with me, but there wasn’t. But then all of a sudden there was a turnaround, because the drugs were taking effect.
So I didn’t have to go to hospital. So then the medication sort of brings you down to normal, sort of brings the high down, but then you feel very flat, and it takes you a long time to pick yourself up, to actually listen to people, to talk to people, to concentrate, you know, it takes time. And it’s a massive, it’s like you’ve experienced some loss and you have to regain something again, yeah. And because you’re on heavy medication when you’re better, you sort of can’t go out.
People spoke about being on different medication that had provided relief for many years. Maria who has been on lithium – ‘the stable one’ – for 25 years said, ‘I can’t remember not being on it’. She described it as a ‘good mood stabiliser’. Charlie, Chris and Brian described finding the antipsychotic medicine clozapine helpful over the long term. Chris said ‘at the right dose’ it did a ‘marvellous job’ and had ‘kept [him] out of hospital’ for over 10 years. Charlie said she had been taking it for about 12 years and stated that it ‘changed [her] life’.
Quite a few people however mentioned how they had only derived temporary or partial benefits from medications they had been prescribed. Ann felt that her medication was a ‘bit of a bandaid solution’. Although the medication Jenny was taking stopped her from ‘getting down in the dumps’, she said it has ‘never stopped the voices’.
When one medication didn’t work well enough, many people described stopping and starting with different medications. Ann had a bad experience when she transitioned to a new medicine regime, which she called the ‘washout period’. She became ‘acutely suicidal’ and was hospitalised.
Taylor described coming off one medicine and starting another as ‘the worst part’.
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Then they changed me to PRISTIQ (desvenlafaxine). That was okay for a while. I took that for quite some time. I can’t think of the name of it, the one that I’m on at the moment but the worst part is coming off one medication and going on to the next medication. You can’t sleep sometimes of a night. You’re awake the whole time because of the change, because you’re coming down off one. You’ve got to come down off one before you can go onto another one and it’s just horrible coming off medication.
And is the process one, I’ve heard some people, some people they get cut down slowly and then reintroduced, is that right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You cut down. You go from say two tablets to one tablet for a week and then half a tablet for a week and then slowly just go down to nothing and then you have to wait till you’re weaned off that one before you can start the next one. And so your symptoms come back and you get the depression and you get the anxiety and yeah, I’ve even being suicidal.
Some people described how they experienced little or no effects from medications they had tried. Susanna commented, ‘I didn’t notice any changes whether I was on it or off it’. Anna and Lisa tried antipsychotics, antidepressants and mood stabilisers but found none of them worked for them.
Brendan’s psychiatrist tried lots of different medication with him. He described how changing medication often meant experiencing new side effects, but he said he never experienced any ‘great change’.
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That was all going fine and time passes, which it does, and I started to get unwell again. I wasn’t going to work. I was still seeing the same psychiatrist, was on medication still. And I think by this time I was on to my third different one because at different points we would, as things didn’t seem to change, talk about, you know, do you think maybe, well it was never my idea, the psychiatrist would say, “You know, do you think maybe we could look at a different medication”? And I thought ‘Well, shit, you know, if things aren’t getting better then sure, maybe that’ll help’.
And so with each change of medication there was always side effects that you’d go through when you had to drop down the medication. I tended to feel more suicidal. I’d get more emotional about things. I’d find my mood would swing really rapidly. And with each medication I had different side effects, from not having control over my bowels, so I’d shit myself, which is great when you’re taking medication to help you not feel depressed and, you know, you can’t help but crap yourself and, yeah, so that wasn’t real good.
Other ones made me physically ill, so I’d throw up. I’d get stomach cramps. And I guess it was always talked about, the medication is only ever going to be a small bit, because I never could feel that medication was doing anything. But sort of, you know, I was always looking at the calendar, from when I’d started the new one to, okay, you know, weeks have passed, and I always would look for around a month, because that seemed to be, whether it was in my own head, that was sort of the date that, you know, you should feel the real change by, you know, a month or so time.
So a month would come and I’d sort of think, ‘Okay, can I feel any different?’ And I don’t know whether I ever did or not. I think maybe I said that I could feel differently. But I think, looking back, I never really felt that there was any great different or great change to how things were going on.
For others it could sometimes be difficult to tell whether it was the medication or something else happening in their lives that was making the difference.
Ann noticed she was able to concentrate more on things, and found her mood swings more predictable, but thought there could be other explanations for that.
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Could you talk about the types of benefits that you might be experiencing now, or that previously you think have helped in relation to the medication?
I’d love to say I’ve got more energy but that’s one of the side effects, that I’ve got less energy. I think the medication I’m on now is working really well which is good and I’m able to focus and concentrate a bit more. And for the first time in probably two years I’ve read a book which is a… I love reading and I haven’t been able to concentrate and read a book, because I would forget what I was reading or just wouldn’t be able to attend to the page. So that’s a huge benefit, so that’s working well and I think that’s also probably due to the fact that I’ve had a reduction in medication. I don’t know if it’s that or the new medication itself. It’s one or the other but I’m not sure which.
So it could have been a side effect of the last one could have been struggle with concentration and then this – so it’s hard to know, yep.
It’s hard to know. It’s chicken and egg. I don’t know which is which but that’s been really, that’s been a really big positive because that means I can go back to study now and start reading properly. So that’s good. I mean the other things it does for me is it makes my mood swings a lot more predictable and lot more stable, but having said that as well I think I’ve learnt over the years better coping strategies to deal with it. And if I feel like I’m going a bit manic I know how to unwind and perhaps nip that in the bud, or make it not as severe. Or if I feel like I’m getting depressed I know how to counteract that with you know, some mindfulness or something.
Unwanted effects (‘Side effects’)
Regardless of whether a medication was effective, many people spoke about experiencing side effects. These could range from ‘unsettling’ to ‘unpleasant’ (dry mouth, sun sensitivity, rashes, facial tics, muscle spasms, stomach cramps) to debilitating, embarrassing or depressing effects (weight gain, loss of sex drive, erectile dysfunction, incontinence, sedation, fatigue). Side effects for some were so debilitating that people felt they outweighed any benefits derived from taking the medication. People we spoke to said that while most side effects went away when they stopped taking the medication, some took a while to recover from. Ann described how she was still trying to lose the extra 30 kilograms that she put on when she was taking ‘a ridiculously high dose’ of the antipsychotic medicine olanzapine.
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Simon was given a ‘modern’ antidepressant he said he ended up in intensive care and ‘nearly died’.
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And this was at the same time or a year or so after Eli Lilly had been sued in America, because people got diabetes. Not because they died but just because they got diabetes, so one million dollar payouts. And our doctors were still not telling people that some of the medications can have really bad side effects. Well I nearly died myself, I was put on an antidepressant, one of the modern ones. And I tried to commit suicide.
When was this?
2008 or 2009. I kept telling them, “I cannot take SSRIs, I’m not going to try them, I’ve got ones that work, why mess with something that works”. “No, no it’s new, it’s better, it’s new it has to be better”. Well that logic doesn’t really apply. Fortunately the doctors now realise do not give me an SSRI. Within seven days I was in intensive care, nearly dead.
Quite a lot of people spoke about the individual side effects they had experienced while taking particular drugs. Brendan said lithium ‘always makes [him] thirsty’. Niall recalled having ‘violent thoughts on PROZAC (fluoxetine)’. Tanai described her experience taking the antipsychotic medication, quetiapine: ‘I’d wake up and I’d be hungry, like I hadn’t eaten in a week. I felt like I was hollow from the bottom of my ribcage to like the bowl of my hips. I felt like I’d been carved out. I was so hungry’.
Side effects that were not properly explained to people taking medication for their mental health were all the more difficult to deal with.
Lisa said she was not advised about what to expect from antidepressants. Side effects like putting on weight were particularly problematic, given her eating disorder.
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That wasn’t properly explained in the context of me having an eating disorder as well. It’s kind of like well, this is going to help you with that part but you’re also going to put on like 30 kilos and you know, that’s probably going to stress you out and that might you know exacerbate some of the way, your coping mechanisms. I don’t think that really factored into anything. For me there wasn’t a definitive point, where I was like, ‘Okay, no more, no more medications from today onwards’. It was more like a slow trickle out effect of like these aren’t working for me. Like you know, I’ve talked to my doctors and shrinks about this and they’re not working and you know what, I just don’t want to try anymore because. And it’s worked fine so far.
Carlo said a mood stabiliser he took made him sweat and lose his sexual drive completely. He found it difficult knowing whether it was just an effect of the drugs, or not.
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My exercise has been huge thing. But one of the things with the mood stabilisers, it caused excess sweat and it also impacted – I had to get blood tests quite regularly. It impacted on my blood levels and when I sweated I had to have a lot of electrolytes to balance out the levels, the risk of toxicity in my blood and my liver and all that kind of stuff. There was what it caused for me was, and this I guess happened when I started experiencing my first experience of depression, my libido, my sexual drive just disappeared like totally.
And that was kind of, that was difficult because I would express symptoms and so forth. But it’s kind of like, how do you really prove anything? You know, how do really, really prove, so that is causing that, and is it just in my head? Or is it you know the fact that this is blocking a natural ability of my body and all that kind of stuff?
So having that goal of coming off medication was really important for me, but also experiencing some of those side effects.
However, the people we spoke to often accepted the side effects because they felt medicine helped them, or they were able to manage the side effects by taking other medication (e.g. to stop constipation). Chris said clozapine made him sleep 10 hours at night and this was ‘good’ for him. Sarah has accepted the side-effects she experiences from quetiapine, because ‘it could be so much worse’.
Taylor didn’t like feeling ‘like a zombie’ because of the antidepressant she was prescribed, but said it was the ‘best option’ at the time.
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I was on LOVAN (Fluoxetine) for a while. That just made me feel like a zombie. I just didn’t feel like a person at all. That wasn’t a very good medication at all. I wasn’t really happy with that one.
Could you talk more about what feeling like a zombie is like?
You just, you feel like you’re not there. You just feel like, it’s really hard to describe actually until someone’s actually been through it. You kind of do things but you can’t remember whether you’ve done them or not and you just don’t feel yourself. You feel tired all the time. You just want to sleep. I know certain medications do that to you but this one was, yeah, I didn’t, this one was not good for me.
And were those possible side effects discussed with your doctor before you took the medication?
Yes, yeah.
And in that decision-making process was it a decision that you made to still go ahead and take the medication?
Yeah I had to try something at the time so I decided to try that medication and see how I go.
And why did you feel so strongly that you had to try medication at that time?
Well the doctor, I talked to the doctor and they suggested I needed something to be done so that was the best option at the time. So yeah, that’s what I did.