Several participants pointed out the generational differences in the way people spend money. They commented on how their parents’ experiences during the war shaped their own beliefs about money, and being frugal or being able to live on very little was seen as an asset.
We asked people about finances in their older years and the main point to emerge was that because they tend to live simply, they do not need as much money when they are older. This was particularly true when children have left home, the mortgage has been paid off and people do not buy new clothes or eat out as much as they used to.
Dot’s needs are small and she is careful with money. She finds pleasure in small things.
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I find that I’m very good at managing things and I’m very very frugal, that I’m saving more than I’m spending, I’m not a spender, I have everything I need. I wear clothes that are maybe 30 to 40 years old, they haven’t changed, I tend to wear the eternal trousers and tops and they’re very pliable, you can do anything in them.
So that frugality is really what’s helped you?
Oh yes, I’m careful that’s the nice word isn’t it careful. I don’t flamboyantly go out and buy a lot of clothing and I don’t – well I don’t do anything like that really. My needs are small, I get greatest pleasure writing or using the computer, or reading.
After surviving the Second World War
Hans is very good at living economically.
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I said to myself “Don’t get worried about it” and I lived on the dole and made life that way and I only can do that because I am an economic [live economically] and I’m telling you that having gone through the world war second, having gone through that with all the handicaps and being efficient yourself, I got through it and I know exactly how to live under the circumstances and make do with whatever you got. I’m very accustomed to that and I never had any problems. And even now I live alright, I’m on the pension but I’m doing alright, I got no problems. Some people might have problems but they are wasting their money or don’t know how to live, don’t know how to economise, things like that. And spend too much on grog, $50 for a bloody carton of grog.
Several participants pointed out the generational differences in the way people spend money. They commented on how their parents’ experiences during the war shaped their own beliefs about money, and being frugal or being able to live on very little was seen as an asset. They also lamented about how wasteful their children’s generation is, particularly all the money that is spent on buying clothes and eating out.
Marjorie’s parents were shaped by The Great Depression and she finds her children have a vastly different attitude to money.
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I mean, my parents were products of the Depression, and unemployment, and two world wars in Britain, and you know, they lived their lives being bombed every night, and that shaped them as people. I mean, every generation is shaped by different things, and the generation Xs and Ys are shaped by – I just see it as different. I’m not judgemental about it. Oh, I am judgemental about one thing, and fearful about another. I’m judgemental, and I even find this, the way they spend money is, you know, like my son would have 400 pairs of shoes, or he’d go and buy the best shirt in the world, and my daughter goes out to restaurants all the time and yet I’m paying the school fees, you know? There’s a different attitude to money and we have a more frugal way of living, although we are much better off than they are. That occurs to me at times.
Lorna is still careful with money because she will always remember what it was like to have very little.
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Well, the thing was values changed, we grew up in a time where money was so scarce, you see we’d come through a Depression, 1929 right up till the war broke out things were very tough, so our values, you know, I still value money today, I’m very careful. Look, I rarely get a bit stressed because I’ve got quite enough money now because [my husband] left me that way that there’s money there and I’m able to pay the bills without having to put it in the little purse every week, so you never forget that way of being careful with money because you went through the time when you had very little.
Tamara encourages her grandchildren to live economically and to give to the needy.
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I always have quarrels with my grandchildren if they buy something: “Look Grandma, what I have bought”. I say if you gave me this money, I would buy 50 pairs of shoes for 50 dollars. I translate the amount of money into the amount of cheap shoes that I can buy for needy and for orphans. I have quarrels with them so that they live economically and help others. The Bible says it so, and God will bless. The Bible says a lot about the needy and orphans.
Being ‘comfortable’ financially was a common feeling for several participants, regardless of whether they were well-off or just making do on the pension. People who had immigrated to Australia in their older years were particularly grateful for the age pension. It was widely recognised, however, that it is difficult to live on the pension as the only source of income, particularly for people living on their own or in rental accommodation.
Ato Addis finds he does not have much money left after he pays the bills and he is glad he has some superannuation.
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And also, I think when you are on a pension, you are limited to what you can do. I can’t do all the things I used to do, like I haven’t got the finance to do it so I’ve got to go where it doesn’t cost me any money. That was the problem, I was always short on money. By the time you pay your electric bill and the gas bills, and your food, there’s nothing much left after the pension, especially you know the utilities are very expensive now. It’s a struggle, but we’ve got to be very careful.
Just yesterday, I got a bill from [an Electricity Company] for $600 for two months. That’s a lot of money, I don’t know how pensioners, that depend solely on the pension, could afford to pay that. I’m lucky because I’ve got superannuation benefits, so I get some money from there plus I get some from my age pension. If it wasn’t for that, and I paid my mortgage, I finished my mortgage and paid my car it would be extremely hard, I don’t know how anyone could do it.
So I’m restricted to what I can do. I can’t go and socialise with all my old buddies from work, you just haven’t got the money to go to the pub and drink, and things, you haven’t got enough money to do all that. You’ve got to sort of economise, or whatever, you can’t use your money properly.
Merrilyn is finding it difficult financially, largely because half her income goes on rent.
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Well, I’m finding it quite difficult at the moment. Paying, approximately half of my income is going on rent. Then I’m paying out funeral expenses for both myself and my partner. I have to pay electricity. I have to pay water, rates. Pay the phone, because I’ve got two phones, the mobile and a fixed line. I can’t bundle to do that. Vet bills have been a little bit high at the moment. I’ve got ongoing health problems where I’m seeing specialists and I have to pay for those. I’m not sure how I’m going as regards the rebate with that, with the safety net on the Medicare. Medications, I’m fine with. I’m already on safety net with the medications.
Many participants had some form of additional income to supplement their pension. This ranged from investment properties and homestay tenants, to gaining an inheritance, reversing their mortgage and selling things like jewellery. Several participants were still working, mostly part-time or doing occasional work. This extra source of income was a big bonus when combined with living frugally.
Helen W cannot maintain her house on the pension. She supplements her income with homestay students and looking after dogs.
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My dogs, little dogs, that started off as I had a friend and she said “Do me a favour?” She said “Can you mind the boy dogs for me?” And I said “Sure, I’d love to” I had a pet shop once and I love animals, you know, but my little one died some time ago and I thought “We’re too old to get another one” because we’d die before the dog and it’s not fair, people don’t want old dogs so when she said “Would you mind the dogs?” I thought “A dog, terrific” and she said “I’ll pay you” and I said “Don’t be silly” she said “Listen, I’ve got two businesses, you’re a pensioner, I’ll pay you” so I said “Okay, I’m not going to argue”. Lady across the road, her friend, I’ve got 16 of them coming and going, I’ve got some more coming next week and I love the little dogs, they’re lovely, I hate giving them back but that paddles along, that helps the finances there. You cannot manage a house and maintain it in good order on a pension. I’ve just had the front fence done, that was $4,000, five. I’ve had the back garage doors done, that was $5,000 and that’s students and dogs and a bit of your pension but the bills, for two years I kept a complete note of everything I’d spent, not any of the luxuries, but just everything, the bills, and it was more than the pension.
People like Kaye, who finds “there’s no way I can earn money at 72”, often have to do without. This might entail juggling their budgeting from week to week or buying cheaper groceries. For Elaine M the shortage of housing in her community means relatives rely on her for food and accommodation, which is a major source of stress.
Elaine M has found it difficult to buy essential but expensive household items, like a fridge, and would like a place of her own.
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Yolngu [Aboriginal] people always have when someone else moves into the house they all move out, eating the same food, not keeping the fridge or not keeping the – when we tried to buy a fridge it cost too much money. The food we buy here is – it’s good, but sometimes it’s no good. Whatever Yolngu drinks they copy and we drink the same and that brings sickness.
Financial stress was associated with major life events in older years. Getting divorced posed large financial problems, particularly for women we spoke to. Margaret found her biggest fear after she was divorced in her late 50s was that she could not support herself financially. Because Helen W’s ex-husband managed all the financial matters, and she trusted him implicitly, she felt he was able to “siphon off most of the money” when he left. Health crises also had a major impact on people financially. Len explains how his financial losses led to a downward spiral which has affected his mental and physical health.
Len used to own horses and a yacht, but financial losses in his older years have left him despondent.
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When I’m looking at you and I’m also looking at the horses I, in a picture, I used to have two or three horses in my backyard in Claremont. Things like that. I used to have a power boat and a yacht, I don’t anymore – one I couldn’t cope with it and two I think I ran out of money. Did a couple of bad jobs or something and I mentally suffered from that downfall, losing money, losing my horses, losing my yacht and ended up losing the house. I’ve suffered ever since then.
So your health suffered because of that or was it the other way round?
No I suffered because I’d lost all that property and it wasn’t altogether my fault, I got hoodwinked and that’s why I left my wife because I was embarrassed basically. To think because I was written off by her parents and they gave her the house and she has three beautiful sons like you’re probably going to have. She has three beautiful sons that look after her. She doesn’t have a useless old man like me. So I’ve been through it all and I’ve done it all and I can’t see much left for me at all, quite honestly.
Of the people we spoke to it was common for men to look after financial matters in the family. Some women, like Dorothy, were completely ‘naive’ about finance; she had to learn everything after her husband passed away. On the other hand, Marjorie was the breadwinner in the family and was happy to hand financial control to her husband so he did not feel ‘disempowered’. Women were more likely to mention that they used a financial planner, and all those who had used one found them very useful.
Dorothy’s husband controlled all the finances for their family and was very frugal. After he passed away she would buy two of everything.
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Well I’m a bank widow, so when [my husband] died, this gentleman from the bank came out and he, I think, was totally alarmed at the amount of money that this totally naive housewife, who only knew how to sign cheques at her husband’s instruction, might do with all this money. So he – bless his heart – suggested that I take half in cash and half as a pension. Now I get $1,078 a fortnight. That covers everything I need, and I just think I’m so fortunate.
So you haven’t ever really wanted for anything, in the monetary aspect?
[My husband] was very frugal, which was a shock because my dad used to say, when I’d get to the front door to go out, “are you right for money love? Here’s 10 shillings.” My husband – bless his heart – had five kids and a wife who went through his salary like water through a colander, so I can understand him being alarmed and very tight with his money, because he had to provide for all of us. But after he died, much to the alarm of the girls, every time I went near a shop I bought two of everything. I went to [a clothing store] and I bought two pairs of slacks, all at once. But I got over that.
Marjorie’s husband manages the household finances even though Marjorie is the main income earner.
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What’s really interesting is because I was the one whose career was taking off, and I was earning more money, and I was also working longer hours, there was a very – it was both conscious and organic – there was a transfer of power early on in the relationship in that I had the role of the primary – he was working all the time, but I was the major breadwinner. And he gradually took over the cooking, and the shopping, and I mean I’d still go to all the functions with the kids and all that, but a lot of the domestic, it was a transfer. Now, so that was one thing. And the second thing was, because I was the major breadwinner, and this was conscious in my sense, I didn’t want him to feel disempowered. So I handed over all the money, managing money to him. So when I stopped working at such a pace, I tried to grab back some of the things. I tried to grab back the shopping, and I have been totally unsuccessful. Because he is the one out this morning doing the shopping, right? And I do some shopping, but he sees it as his role. I tried to grab back some of the cooking, and he has handed back quite a lot of the cooking, but he controls, he’ll say I would like to eat this. He’s a good cook, and I’m not bad, so food is important to us. In terms of controlling the money, he still pays all the bills, does all of that. I have rested back, I’d call it the macroeconomics of the house. He does all the operational stuff, but the macro we do together. Like where is the private super invested, should we move some of the money out of shares into property, or should we divest some of our money now to the children, et cetera, et cetera. That’s shared, but he still runs the thing. And if he can’t do it tomorrow and I had to pay an online electricity bill, I wouldn’t know how to do it and I have to learn, I have to learn. So he manages all of that. It’s all done online, and he does it and he’s kept that. But can you see how my thinking in handing it over when I was (1) busy, (2) I find it boring, and (3) I was saying this doesn’t matter to me, you do it.
When planning financially for later in life, people mentioned cash savings, investments such as real-estate, and superannuation. Some participants had put in extra superannuation contributions but it was difficult to plan because “you never know how long it will need to last.” While it was seen as important to have a financial plan for later years, it is not always easy to make a plan and stick to it. Global financial markets and wrong decisions can have very large consequences in retirement.
Robyn talks about the importance of superannuation but admits that she did not start thinking seriously about these issues until she was in her 60s.
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And, you have to keep planning, you can’t take your eye off the ball. Most seniors, that I’ve talk to at least, as part of the world financial crisis, lost between $100,000 and $300,000 out of their super. That’s money that they’ll never make back. So, many people had to be really smart about how they then invest it. Whether they looked at going back to work part time, or, looked at their risk risk profiles. Whether they could afford to do some of the things that they had planned to do and good, really reliable advice is something that I get at least once a year. I’ve probably had more debt– I’ve never had as much debt as I have at the moment, but, in the context of what that has bought me, which is investments, which are positive returns, I now have a plan which will enable me to offload those at the right time and still have a good superannuation scheme and a roof over my head. So, things change, and particularly for people in their 45 to 55 age group, they need to understand what the realities of retirement are going to mean. Most people for instance, who are on superannuation, they’re going to be lucky to see their superannuation last until they’re 80. The question is, what happens after they turn 80? Is there a Plan B, and you need to understand all of the options available to you and to plan enough in advance so that you can actually limit the damage that the general economy does to you.
Des and his wife were financially organised when they were younger but lost money through their business. Paying off an ‘extravagant’ vacation club means they are reaping the benefits now in terms of their social life.
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Yeah. We were incredibly organised when we were your age, incredibly organised. And when we came to Australia, we had all our finances in order, we knew what we were going to, we had enough to money to buy the house we wanted and such like. But we’re not that organised now.
So what happened, what changed along the way?
I think the main thing that was my mistake was [my wife] was always left to do all the administration. And it took me probably 18 months to realise that things were not happening. By that time, it was virtually out of control. It’s not a lost cause; I’m slowly bringing it back to reality and we’re still doing – quite a lot of things we did I’m quite happy we did. For instance, I probably wouldn’t have done it if I – we joined the Vacation Club, and that allows us every year to go for a very, very luxurious free holiday. Now we paid it off at $83 a week. Now probably if I’d sat down and thought that it was 17 grand or something, I would have thought – but I’m glad I did it now, because the things that have come out of it – we’ve had some real laughs.
People who had planned successfully, or had just been lucky in their career or in real estate, felt incredibly grateful for what they had. The things people valued in having money after retirement were freedom, the ability to help their children financially and do more of what they wanted in life.